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		<title>By: Board Of Any School</title>
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		<dc:creator>Board Of Any School</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Mar 2008 09:17:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;The Boarding Schools for Your Defiant Teens&lt;/strong&gt;

Social and emotional growth are inherent components of the traditional private boarding school environment, there is no structured emotional growth component. Students are assigned advisors who offer support and guidance however they do not serve as co...</description>
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<p>Social and emotional growth are inherent components of the traditional private boarding school environment, there is no structured emotional growth component. Students are assigned advisors who offer support and guidance however they do not serve as co&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Ed Montgomery</title>
		<link>http://educationaltechnology.ca/couros/356/comment-page-1#comment-110675</link>
		<dc:creator>Ed Montgomery</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Oct 2007 23:17:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just thought you might want to check out a fellow canuck&#039;s linux ranting on education, etc., with many links to articles about linux and education...! :-)

http://cdneducation.blogspot.com/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just thought you might want to check out a fellow canuck&#8217;s linux ranting on education, etc., with many links to articles about linux and education&#8230;! :-)</p>
<p><a href="http://cdneducation.blogspot.com/" rel="nofollow">http://cdneducation.blogspot.com/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Jay Pfaffman</title>
		<link>http://educationaltechnology.ca/couros/356/comment-page-1#comment-287</link>
		<dc:creator>Jay Pfaffman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Aug 2005 15:44:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nice job.  I think you did a better job commenting on this than &lt;a href=&quot;http://learn.occ.utk.edu/node/35&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;I did.&lt;/a&gt;

I&#039;ve been using &lt;a href=&quot;http://k12ltsp.org&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;K12LTSP in classrooms for over a year now.  I set up a terminal server and 5 thin clients, did my site&lt;/a&gt;.  Anyway, I think that Linux &lt;b&gt;is&lt;/b&gt; a viable replacement for Windows and (and here I recognize my zealotry) I don&#039;t understand how anyone uses it for useful work when the virus/worm problem is as bad as it seems to be.  One of the coolest things is that wherever a kid sits, all their stuff, their files, bookmarks and so on, are there when they log in.

The issue of servers, especially file servers, also gets me riled up.  If students can&#039;t easily save their files on a file server, they won&#039;t.  Using a computer in a lab is a real drag.  I say that we take away the tech&#039;s hard drives and make them use the exact same configuration as the students do.   Within weeks everyone would have seemless file sharing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice job.  I think you did a better job commenting on this than <a href="http://learn.occ.utk.edu/node/35" rel="nofollow">I did.</a></p>
<p>I&#8217;ve been using <a href="http://k12ltsp.org" rel="nofollow">K12LTSP in classrooms for over a year now.  I set up a terminal server and 5 thin clients, did my site</a>.  Anyway, I think that Linux <b>is</b> a viable replacement for Windows and (and here I recognize my zealotry) I don&#8217;t understand how anyone uses it for useful work when the virus/worm problem is as bad as it seems to be.  One of the coolest things is that wherever a kid sits, all their stuff, their files, bookmarks and so on, are there when they log in.</p>
<p>The issue of servers, especially file servers, also gets me riled up.  If students can&#8217;t easily save their files on a file server, they won&#8217;t.  Using a computer in a lab is a real drag.  I say that we take away the tech&#8217;s hard drives and make them use the exact same configuration as the students do.   Within weeks everyone would have seemless file sharing.</p>
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		<title>By: SolidOffice  &#187; Blog Archive   &#187; What Education Can Learn From Open Source</title>
		<link>http://educationaltechnology.ca/couros/356/comment-page-1#comment-284</link>
		<dc:creator>SolidOffice  &#187; Blog Archive   &#187; What Education Can Learn From Open Source</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Aug 2005 11:17:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] ducation Can Learn From Open Source 	 			 					Great piece by Alec Couros entitled, &#8220;What Education Can Learn From Open Source.&#8221; 	Couros writes, &#8220;Being involved with open sour [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Yule Heibel</title>
		<link>http://educationaltechnology.ca/couros/356/comment-page-1#comment-282</link>
		<dc:creator>Yule Heibel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Aug 2005 19:35:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You nailed it with the conversation between the visionary teacher and the techie, both in terms of the old model that all too often still is and the new one that could be!   ;-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You nailed it with the conversation between the visionary teacher and the techie, both in terms of the old model that all too often still is and the new one that could be!   ;-)</p>
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		<title>By: Alec</title>
		<link>http://educationaltechnology.ca/couros/356/comment-page-1#comment-281</link>
		<dc:creator>Alec</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Aug 2005 18:23:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rob, yea, great point on many of the techs not having the resources to switch (e.g., more comprehensive IIS/NT4/Windows2000/etc. manuals available than some of the popular Linux distros). This is going to be one of the tough barriers for Linux in schools as while Yahoo/Google/Amazon all run on Linux servers, look at their resources. Schools obviously have that type of clout ... in fact, many schools are separated from each other. Sounds like a good enough reason to develop a community of practice or networks between technical support people in the province aside from the regular Linux support fora.

Yule, I am hearing your concerns about some schools not changing, and one of the things I have analyzed recently is that there are those that consider some school techs to be frozen in some sort of proprietary wasteland ... MS training occured sometime prior to the dot.com bust, and for many ... that was the jist of the training one will get. If a Windows NT server works ... it&#039;s running, you know it well ... why change it (the rationale may be)? I guess it&#039;s a combination of factors that decide what technologies are adopted in schools ... admin, teachers, tech. preference ... and unfortunately, lesser so the students. And of course, there&#039;s the old rhetoric ... &quot;no one gets fired for buying IBM&quot;, and like thinking, that makes innovation too risky, and certainly not supported.

My opinion ... schools need R&amp;D to some level. They need knowledgeable, flexible techies who can work with visionary teachers. 

Current system:
Visionary Teacher: &quot;I&#039;d like to do THIS ... is it possible?&quot;
Techie: &quot;No, we cant&#039; do that ... it&#039;s too risky and insecure, and we can&#039;t do it on our current system&quot;.

Future system:
Visionary Teacher: &quot;I&#039;d like to do THIS ... is it possible?&quot;
Techie:&quot;Well, I&#039;ve never tried anything like that, but I know it&#039;s possible. I will see if I can get support and advice from my trusted network of peers, and find out what&#039;s possible. Are you able to help me understand how this might look in the actual classroom, and therefore, help me tweak it?&quot;

I&#039;m not trying to put all the blame on the techs. There are various factors ... including fact that we often don&#039;t have &quot;visionary&quot; teachers that are literate enough with technology to even know what questions to ask. I&#039;m just trying to demonstrate one particular instance. Obviously, it&#039;s much more complex.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rob, yea, great point on many of the techs not having the resources to switch (e.g., more comprehensive IIS/NT4/Windows2000/etc. manuals available than some of the popular Linux distros). This is going to be one of the tough barriers for Linux in schools as while Yahoo/Google/Amazon all run on Linux servers, look at their resources. Schools obviously have that type of clout &#8230; in fact, many schools are separated from each other. Sounds like a good enough reason to develop a community of practice or networks between technical support people in the province aside from the regular Linux support fora.</p>
<p>Yule, I am hearing your concerns about some schools not changing, and one of the things I have analyzed recently is that there are those that consider some school techs to be frozen in some sort of proprietary wasteland &#8230; MS training occured sometime prior to the dot.com bust, and for many &#8230; that was the jist of the training one will get. If a Windows NT server works &#8230; it&#8217;s running, you know it well &#8230; why change it (the rationale may be)? I guess it&#8217;s a combination of factors that decide what technologies are adopted in schools &#8230; admin, teachers, tech. preference &#8230; and unfortunately, lesser so the students. And of course, there&#8217;s the old rhetoric &#8230; &#8220;no one gets fired for buying IBM&#8221;, and like thinking, that makes innovation too risky, and certainly not supported.</p>
<p>My opinion &#8230; schools need R&amp;D to some level. They need knowledgeable, flexible techies who can work with visionary teachers. </p>
<p>Current system:<br />
Visionary Teacher: &#8220;I&#8217;d like to do THIS &#8230; is it possible?&#8221;<br />
Techie: &#8220;No, we cant&#8217; do that &#8230; it&#8217;s too risky and insecure, and we can&#8217;t do it on our current system&#8221;.</p>
<p>Future system:<br />
Visionary Teacher: &#8220;I&#8217;d like to do THIS &#8230; is it possible?&#8221;<br />
Techie:&#8221;Well, I&#8217;ve never tried anything like that, but I know it&#8217;s possible. I will see if I can get support and advice from my trusted network of peers, and find out what&#8217;s possible. Are you able to help me understand how this might look in the actual classroom, and therefore, help me tweak it?&#8221;</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not trying to put all the blame on the techs. There are various factors &#8230; including fact that we often don&#8217;t have &#8220;visionary&#8221; teachers that are literate enough with technology to even know what questions to ask. I&#8217;m just trying to demonstrate one particular instance. Obviously, it&#8217;s much more complex.</p>
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		<title>By: frepa.blog&#187;Blog Archive
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		<link>http://educationaltechnology.ca/couros/356/comment-page-1#comment-279</link>
		<dc:creator>frepa.blog&#187;Blog Archive
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		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Aug 2005 08:16:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Yule Heibel</title>
		<link>http://educationaltechnology.ca/couros/356/comment-page-1#comment-278</link>
		<dc:creator>Yule Heibel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Aug 2005 06:02:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great post, Alec -- thank you.  I wish I could get my kids&#039;s distance ed school (here in BC Canada) to embrace open source, but they seem to be completely and utterly beholden to Microsoft and to proprietary software.  It drives me up the wall, and I don&#039;t know what to do -- I&#039;ve tried pointing them to my blog entries on e-learning as well as pointing them to other blogs of interest, including yours, but they&#039;re too comfy in the pocket of commercial developers.  Most of everything they offer only runs on Windows, and it&#039;s clunky, stupid, and costs way too much money.  Couple this with often second-rate content, and it&#039;s enough to make a person give up on public distance k-12 education and go back to home/ unschooling....

I&#039;m reading your entry in conjunction with Teach and Learn Online ( http://teachandlearnonline.blogspot.com/ ), aka Leigh Blackall in Australia, who today has a post about firewalls and security (see http://teachandlearnonline.blogspot.com/2005/08/break-down-fire-wall.html ) and how/why this is having an effect (negative) on the education system.  I know that in our distance ed. school&#039;s environment, the firewall/ security issue has been a big problem -- for a brief period last year, the school&#039;s server was pirated by a porn site because the firewall went down temporarily -- and I feel that somehow the kowtowing to Microsoft products and to proprietary software generally is somehow connected to this paranoia around security.  Falsely, no doubt, since nothing is as vulnerable as the MS stuff, but somehow the perception is that if you paid a whole pile of money for something, it&#039;s &quot;safer&quot; than the materials available for free. 

Rob, I can only hope that your optimism is rewarded and that Linux / open source will win out in the hearts and minds of all those techies and others currently in the system, trained on Windows, and willing to stay in that fold because it&#039;s so comfortable for them...  I see all this energy around OSS and innovation in the blogs/ sites I visit, but I see very little of it on the ground, in the distance ed. school my kids are using here.  </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great post, Alec &#8212; thank you.  I wish I could get my kids&#8217;s distance ed school (here in BC Canada) to embrace open source, but they seem to be completely and utterly beholden to Microsoft and to proprietary software.  It drives me up the wall, and I don&#8217;t know what to do &#8212; I&#8217;ve tried pointing them to my blog entries on e-learning as well as pointing them to other blogs of interest, including yours, but they&#8217;re too comfy in the pocket of commercial developers.  Most of everything they offer only runs on Windows, and it&#8217;s clunky, stupid, and costs way too much money.  Couple this with often second-rate content, and it&#8217;s enough to make a person give up on public distance k-12 education and go back to home/ unschooling&#8230;.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m reading your entry in conjunction with Teach and Learn Online ( <a href="http://teachandlearnonline.blogspot.com/" rel="nofollow">http://teachandlearnonline.blogspot.com/</a> ), aka Leigh Blackall in Australia, who today has a post about firewalls and security (see <a href="http://teachandlearnonline.blogspot.com/2005/08/break-down-fire-wall.html" rel="nofollow">http://teachandlearnonline.blogspot.com/2005/08/break-down-fire-wall.html</a> ) and how/why this is having an effect (negative) on the education system.  I know that in our distance ed. school&#8217;s environment, the firewall/ security issue has been a big problem &#8212; for a brief period last year, the school&#8217;s server was pirated by a porn site because the firewall went down temporarily &#8212; and I feel that somehow the kowtowing to Microsoft products and to proprietary software generally is somehow connected to this paranoia around security.  Falsely, no doubt, since nothing is as vulnerable as the MS stuff, but somehow the perception is that if you paid a whole pile of money for something, it&#8217;s &#8220;safer&#8221; than the materials available for free. </p>
<p>Rob, I can only hope that your optimism is rewarded and that Linux / open source will win out in the hearts and minds of all those techies and others currently in the system, trained on Windows, and willing to stay in that fold because it&#8217;s so comfortable for them&#8230;  I see all this energy around OSS and innovation in the blogs/ sites I visit, but I see very little of it on the ground, in the distance ed. school my kids are using here.</p>
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		<title>By: Rob Wall</title>
		<link>http://educationaltechnology.ca/couros/356/comment-page-1#comment-277</link>
		<dc:creator>Rob Wall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Aug 2005 05:18:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is a great extension to Graham&#039;s original essay. With regard to the first point, school servers, I would guess that the reason why Windows is the dominant platform for servers in schools is that most school IT staff have training in Windows but very little in any of the Unices, including Linux. This is hardly surprising, given the amount of money that the large IT corporations spend on developing training curricula and promoting their programs. On the Unix side, the only big corporation that offers any kind of training is Sun Microsystems, but their training is not included in any post-secondary curriculum, to the best of my knowledge.

Despite this inequity, I&#039;m optimistic that the momentum of Linux in Europe, Asia and Africa will create the incentive for training in Linux to be included in post-secondary IT curriculum.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is a great extension to Graham&#8217;s original essay. With regard to the first point, school servers, I would guess that the reason why Windows is the dominant platform for servers in schools is that most school IT staff have training in Windows but very little in any of the Unices, including Linux. This is hardly surprising, given the amount of money that the large IT corporations spend on developing training curricula and promoting their programs. On the Unix side, the only big corporation that offers any kind of training is Sun Microsystems, but their training is not included in any post-secondary curriculum, to the best of my knowledge.</p>
<p>Despite this inequity, I&#8217;m optimistic that the momentum of Linux in Europe, Asia and Africa will create the incentive for training in Linux to be included in post-secondary IT curriculum.</p>
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