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		<title>By: Wakoopa - Time of your (digital) life &#171;</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wakoopa - Time of your (digital) life &#171;</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Jan 2009 09:55:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Personal Learning Networks (PLNs) for example are by far an large the most important &#8216;technologies&#8217; that teachers are using in professional development. These were again and again highlighted in conferences and panel discussions throughout 2008. The knowledge of all of us is greater than any one of us - as the saying goes. [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Sue Waters</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sue Waters</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Oct 2008 23:07:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good point about &quot;a model that any teacher could take on, regardless of the network they have already established.&quot;  Based on this I would take it as your main aim is really to show them best practice for using with students and also helped them experience learning through using these tools so they understand the value of it.  So that is what I would focus mostly on.

What I&#039;ve noticed as a big failing of many University lecturers working with preservice teachers is that they are getting their students to blog but not supporting them adequately. This concerns me because when these same people then use it with their own students they won&#039;t appreciate the mechanisms needed to support their learners.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good point about &#8220;a model that any teacher could take on, regardless of the network they have already established.&#8221;  Based on this I would take it as your main aim is really to show them best practice for using with students and also helped them experience learning through using these tools so they understand the value of it.  So that is what I would focus mostly on.</p>
<p>What I&#8217;ve noticed as a big failing of many University lecturers working with preservice teachers is that they are getting their students to blog but not supporting them adequately. This concerns me because when these same people then use it with their own students they won&#8217;t appreciate the mechanisms needed to support their learners.</p>
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		<title>By: Lesley B</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lesley B</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Oct 2008 18:19:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I guess I missed what level your students are on. Most students have some kind of ecclectic network via Facebook or Myspace at the very least. My suggestion would be to brainstorm what makes a person interesting to someone else and then find the kinds of keywords that would lead them to the ones they will find the most compelling. I&#039;d require the network to include people from contrasting viewpoints. The documentation of this project will be interesting action research. Of course, a very interesting conversation will be about the serendipities involved - the rewards of a good network are not always apparent until they arrive...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I guess I missed what level your students are on. Most students have some kind of ecclectic network via Facebook or Myspace at the very least. My suggestion would be to brainstorm what makes a person interesting to someone else and then find the kinds of keywords that would lead them to the ones they will find the most compelling. I&#8217;d require the network to include people from contrasting viewpoints. The documentation of this project will be interesting action research. Of course, a very interesting conversation will be about the serendipities involved &#8211; the rewards of a good network are not always apparent until they arrive&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Alec</title>
		<link>http://educationaltechnology.ca/couros/1043/comment-page-1#comment-153686</link>
		<dc:creator>Alec</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Oct 2008 16:30:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Jenna: Thanks for this, and I think the &quot;online&quot; vs. &quot;building a network&quot; is an important distinction. I am going to have to think hard about what I want people to do in the course, I am really building the course objectives on the fly (this is all new territory), so I think I need to (re)define some of the key questions and understandings. Thanks for the insight.

@Cristina: I think you raise two important distinctions: communities vs. tools, and &#039;friends&#039; vs. strong individual connections. I think that would be key to an early discussion, degrees of &#039;friendship&#039;, collaborative relationships, etc. Again, very helpful thoughts here.

@Rob: And I think we both did a great job in EC&amp;I 831, and the social capital entrepreneurship piece worked better than both of us expected (IMHO). As people have mentioned before, I&#039;d really like to focus on being explicit about how people form networks, the steps taken, key occurrences ... hmmmmmm ... let&#039;s talk soon about this.

@Sue: I really like the mentorship model, Sue. I guess in the first time around (for this grad course), mentors just emerged and we were less deliberate about making this happen. I often leveraged my own network, trying to match people I knew with student interests ... it seemed to work well. But, I guess the piece that I question is whether or not this is a natural way that networks form. Or, should I be worried about this? I guess I am trying to think about a model that any teacher could take on, regardless of the network they have already established. Maybe I am not being realistic.

@Nate: I like the idea of key intersections, perhaps this is similar to my conceptualization of the supernode. And, the piece on connecting to someone &quot;outside of the norm&quot; is appreciated, and I guess that may be where the difficulty exists. It may be both difficult to (a) find someone outside of the norm (or even define what that means) and (b) to create an authentic connection with that individual by definition. Still, I think this is an important challenge, not only for our students, but for our own knowledge construction. As a final note, I found it interesting that you started with &quot;I&#039;m coming late to the convo&quot;, and ended with the Heston analogy re: Synchronous tools. I am guilty of this, coming to an asynchronous conversation less than 12 hours after it started and feeling late to the party. :-) 

Thanks again to all for adding your thoughts to this important conversation, and helping me figure out a few things.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Jenna: Thanks for this, and I think the &#8220;online&#8221; vs. &#8220;building a network&#8221; is an important distinction. I am going to have to think hard about what I want people to do in the course, I am really building the course objectives on the fly (this is all new territory), so I think I need to (re)define some of the key questions and understandings. Thanks for the insight.</p>
<p>@Cristina: I think you raise two important distinctions: communities vs. tools, and &#8216;friends&#8217; vs. strong individual connections. I think that would be key to an early discussion, degrees of &#8216;friendship&#8217;, collaborative relationships, etc. Again, very helpful thoughts here.</p>
<p>@Rob: And I think we both did a great job in EC&#038;I 831, and the social capital entrepreneurship piece worked better than both of us expected (IMHO). As people have mentioned before, I&#8217;d really like to focus on being explicit about how people form networks, the steps taken, key occurrences &#8230; hmmmmmm &#8230; let&#8217;s talk soon about this.</p>
<p>@Sue: I really like the mentorship model, Sue. I guess in the first time around (for this grad course), mentors just emerged and we were less deliberate about making this happen. I often leveraged my own network, trying to match people I knew with student interests &#8230; it seemed to work well. But, I guess the piece that I question is whether or not this is a natural way that networks form. Or, should I be worried about this? I guess I am trying to think about a model that any teacher could take on, regardless of the network they have already established. Maybe I am not being realistic.</p>
<p>@Nate: I like the idea of key intersections, perhaps this is similar to my conceptualization of the supernode. And, the piece on connecting to someone &#8220;outside of the norm&#8221; is appreciated, and I guess that may be where the difficulty exists. It may be both difficult to (a) find someone outside of the norm (or even define what that means) and (b) to create an authentic connection with that individual by definition. Still, I think this is an important challenge, not only for our students, but for our own knowledge construction. As a final note, I found it interesting that you started with &#8220;I&#8217;m coming late to the convo&#8221;, and ended with the Heston analogy re: Synchronous tools. I am guilty of this, coming to an asynchronous conversation less than 12 hours after it started and feeling late to the party. :-) </p>
<p>Thanks again to all for adding your thoughts to this important conversation, and helping me figure out a few things.</p>
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		<title>By: Nate Lowell</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nate Lowell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Oct 2008 13:19:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m coming late to the convo, but there are a couple of ideas that I use in my classes. 

First, I have my students all link to each other - posts and comments. While that creates a kind of echo chamber, it also creates a critical mass almost instantly. 

Second, I give them a list of about six key points of intersection with the net. You can guess who they are. They&#039;re the ones everybody has. 

Third, I ask them to pick somebody outside their norm -- at least one news feed, one political blog, and somebody who writes interesting essays -- and share the links with the class. 

I focus them into a PLN that&#039;s largely &#039;gator-ized, because I really think the aggregator is the hub in any PLN. I also point out that they&#039;re part of a larger network that extends offline as well, but that access to the meat-space net is limited (and limiting) based on availability and geography. 

One of the major challenges is prying the cold dead fingers off the Synchronous Tools. Yes, being online together is kinda cool. But it&#039;s not *all* and that seems to be difficult for a lot of folks to deal with.</description>
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<p>First, I have my students all link to each other &#8211; posts and comments. While that creates a kind of echo chamber, it also creates a critical mass almost instantly. </p>
<p>Second, I give them a list of about six key points of intersection with the net. You can guess who they are. They&#8217;re the ones everybody has. </p>
<p>Third, I ask them to pick somebody outside their norm &#8212; at least one news feed, one political blog, and somebody who writes interesting essays &#8212; and share the links with the class. </p>
<p>I focus them into a PLN that&#8217;s largely &#8216;gator-ized, because I really think the aggregator is the hub in any PLN. I also point out that they&#8217;re part of a larger network that extends offline as well, but that access to the meat-space net is limited (and limiting) based on availability and geography. </p>
<p>One of the major challenges is prying the cold dead fingers off the Synchronous Tools. Yes, being online together is kinda cool. But it&#8217;s not *all* and that seems to be difficult for a lot of folks to deal with.</p>
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		<title>By: Sue Waters</title>
		<link>http://educationaltechnology.ca/couros/1043/comment-page-1#comment-153681</link>
		<dc:creator>Sue Waters</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Oct 2008 11:30:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One of the key aspects that was highlighted in my PLN Survey was the importance of having mentor(s) when building Personal Learning Networks. Many of the online tools you can use to build your network can be really confusing to use and lonely if you don&#039;t have friends. Mentors that help pave the way do make a difference.

I would suggest have a series of names of people who you know willingly help others and will also help them connect with other people.  That way the students can work out for themselves which individuals they relate to better.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One of the key aspects that was highlighted in my PLN Survey was the importance of having mentor(s) when building Personal Learning Networks. Many of the online tools you can use to build your network can be really confusing to use and lonely if you don&#8217;t have friends. Mentors that help pave the way do make a difference.</p>
<p>I would suggest have a series of names of people who you know willingly help others and will also help them connect with other people.  That way the students can work out for themselves which individuals they relate to better.</p>
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		<title>By: Rob Wall</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rob Wall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Oct 2008 05:49:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think - and this is probably the answer that you least want to read because it is the most time consuming for you - that you will need to find out about each student and provide them with the amount of support they need. I think this is what you (we) did in EC&amp;I 831&#039;s first iteration - we asked students to start developing and participating in an online PLN, then helped out those who needed the support. Remember the importance of social capital entrepeneurship. Also, you invited others to start connecting with students, so in that way they were assimilated into existing networks. I think that was an important step. Sometimes we don&#039;t find a social network, it finds us (that sounds like a slashdot-type Soviet Russia joke). 

I also think you should recommend they listen to EdTech Posse. I&#039;d like to get the subscription numbers up. :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think &#8211; and this is probably the answer that you least want to read because it is the most time consuming for you &#8211; that you will need to find out about each student and provide them with the amount of support they need. I think this is what you (we) did in EC&amp;I 831&#8242;s first iteration &#8211; we asked students to start developing and participating in an online PLN, then helped out those who needed the support. Remember the importance of social capital entrepeneurship. Also, you invited others to start connecting with students, so in that way they were assimilated into existing networks. I think that was an important step. Sometimes we don&#8217;t find a social network, it finds us (that sounds like a slashdot-type Soviet Russia joke). </p>
<p>I also think you should recommend they listen to EdTech Posse. I&#8217;d like to get the subscription numbers up. :-)</p>
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		<title>By: Cristina Costa</title>
		<link>http://educationaltechnology.ca/couros/1043/comment-page-1#comment-153677</link>
		<dc:creator>Cristina Costa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Oct 2008 05:18:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am sure if this will help but here is my experience as both a student and a tutor.
In 2004 I started a Masters programme on educational technologies.One of the courses was called at the time Virtual Learning Communities, and we were asked to do something similar to what you intend to do - we were asked to experience a community, to find ourselves in it, and to form our own learning bonds. No individual contacts were given, but a couple of links such as Tapped In, and others I don&#039;t  remember anymore. That would allow us to have a starting point. The idea was to connect to these networks/people according to our interests, personality, etc. We struggled at the beginning - we were not used to have this kind of freedom and choice - but that uncomfortable stage of &quot;finding our feet&quot; is also part of the learning process, as we were later asked to reflect upon. As a student I ended up taking part of a community where I ended in &quot;places&quot; that were never suggested by the professor - also because he didn&#039;t know about them at the time. Online, and with the autonomy granted, I was able to find very generous people who are now very meaningful as part of my PLN - I probably wouldn&#039;t have &quot;looked for them&quot; if it wasn&#039;t for the need to find my own &quot;links&quot;. I had to &quot;fish fr myself&quot; - and that became quite important for me. I really made an effort to find something which I could identify myself with.
And that&#039;s what I do with my students too - I point them towards directions (inform them about some SNS, but don&#039;t suggest specific people); tell them to observe what people are doing there, to find someone that catches their attention, and to check whom they are engaging with...maybe they are people they will find interesting to &quot;have&quot; in their PLN. Then it&#039;s time to start cultivating a network around them. Above all, I let them know that it&#039;s not that simple, It doesn&#039;t help much just to befriend people - they also need to give a bit of themselves - participate actively and communicate with people in environments they find relevant for their personal development and learning.  

just my two cents. I&#039;m sure whatever you will do will be fine. Hope you share the developments of the students&#039; activity then! :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am sure if this will help but here is my experience as both a student and a tutor.<br />
In 2004 I started a Masters programme on educational technologies.One of the courses was called at the time Virtual Learning Communities, and we were asked to do something similar to what you intend to do &#8211; we were asked to experience a community, to find ourselves in it, and to form our own learning bonds. No individual contacts were given, but a couple of links such as Tapped In, and others I don&#8217;t  remember anymore. That would allow us to have a starting point. The idea was to connect to these networks/people according to our interests, personality, etc. We struggled at the beginning &#8211; we were not used to have this kind of freedom and choice &#8211; but that uncomfortable stage of &#8220;finding our feet&#8221; is also part of the learning process, as we were later asked to reflect upon. As a student I ended up taking part of a community where I ended in &#8220;places&#8221; that were never suggested by the professor &#8211; also because he didn&#8217;t know about them at the time. Online, and with the autonomy granted, I was able to find very generous people who are now very meaningful as part of my PLN &#8211; I probably wouldn&#8217;t have &#8220;looked for them&#8221; if it wasn&#8217;t for the need to find my own &#8220;links&#8221;. I had to &#8220;fish fr myself&#8221; &#8211; and that became quite important for me. I really made an effort to find something which I could identify myself with.<br />
And that&#8217;s what I do with my students too &#8211; I point them towards directions (inform them about some SNS, but don&#8217;t suggest specific people); tell them to observe what people are doing there, to find someone that catches their attention, and to check whom they are engaging with&#8230;maybe they are people they will find interesting to &#8220;have&#8221; in their PLN. Then it&#8217;s time to start cultivating a network around them. Above all, I let them know that it&#8217;s not that simple, It doesn&#8217;t help much just to befriend people &#8211; they also need to give a bit of themselves &#8211; participate actively and communicate with people in environments they find relevant for their personal development and learning.  </p>
<p>just my two cents. I&#8217;m sure whatever you will do will be fine. Hope you share the developments of the students&#8217; activity then! :-)</p>
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		<title>By: Jenna Ream</title>
		<link>http://educationaltechnology.ca/couros/1043/comment-page-1#comment-153676</link>
		<dc:creator>Jenna Ream</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Oct 2008 04:53:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The piece I keep thinking about is the importance of the online connection as a start...or maybe at all.  I guess it comes back to what your ultimate goal is: to have students consider and develop online PLNs or to help them recognize the PLN they are part of and then consider where that network could benefit from the use of online tools to maintain communication.  

I work with teachers who take our online classes most often for the convenience of the schedule.  It is after developing strong, interactive relationships with their classmates via technology- the lms, chat, email, etc. that they even recognize the value and potential of online communication tools.  I think back to when email was a &#039;techy&#039; tool (not that long ago) and when teachers shunned it as &#039;inefficent&#039; or &#039;awkward&#039;.  These days it is assumed- just what you do to share information, stay connected.  I am wondering if this next wave of online tools will also make that shift.  I think the connections come first though, and depending on your exposure to online tools, an online class is an opportunity to consider a new medium for the conversation. And when led to recognize their existing network, and provided a chance to use online tools to connect with classmates, the connection can then be made that online tools can facilitate communication with your existing network, and you can see the possibilities of building an online network as well.  I think whether the goal is &#039;network&#039; or &#039;online&#039; changes the way you would want to go.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The piece I keep thinking about is the importance of the online connection as a start&#8230;or maybe at all.  I guess it comes back to what your ultimate goal is: to have students consider and develop online PLNs or to help them recognize the PLN they are part of and then consider where that network could benefit from the use of online tools to maintain communication.  </p>
<p>I work with teachers who take our online classes most often for the convenience of the schedule.  It is after developing strong, interactive relationships with their classmates via technology- the lms, chat, email, etc. that they even recognize the value and potential of online communication tools.  I think back to when email was a &#8216;techy&#8217; tool (not that long ago) and when teachers shunned it as &#8216;inefficent&#8217; or &#8216;awkward&#8217;.  These days it is assumed- just what you do to share information, stay connected.  I am wondering if this next wave of online tools will also make that shift.  I think the connections come first though, and depending on your exposure to online tools, an online class is an opportunity to consider a new medium for the conversation. And when led to recognize their existing network, and provided a chance to use online tools to connect with classmates, the connection can then be made that online tools can facilitate communication with your existing network, and you can see the possibilities of building an online network as well.  I think whether the goal is &#8216;network&#8217; or &#8216;online&#8217; changes the way you would want to go.</p>
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		<title>By: Alec</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alec</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Oct 2008 03:55:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Alex: That&#039;s one piece I am not sure about. Will is certainly a supernode (if there is such a thing) and his blog is a fantastic resource. But I still wonder, say if I started someone with Will and another person with say Vicki Davis ... how radically different would their networks look at the end of the day? I am not sure, and definitely not saying that would be a bad thing. But I guess, I really want to better understand how these personal networks are formed other than in the way(s) I have always witness them form. 

And your comment re: audiophile, that&#039;s really got me thinking. I need to be more considerate of the medium students prefer when connecting, reflecting, etc. I have (more recently) gone back to reading blogs more than listening to audio ... and I need to be cognizant of these preferences of my students. Thanks for commenting!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Alex: That&#8217;s one piece I am not sure about. Will is certainly a supernode (if there is such a thing) and his blog is a fantastic resource. But I still wonder, say if I started someone with Will and another person with say Vicki Davis &#8230; how radically different would their networks look at the end of the day? I am not sure, and definitely not saying that would be a bad thing. But I guess, I really want to better understand how these personal networks are formed other than in the way(s) I have always witness them form. </p>
<p>And your comment re: audiophile, that&#8217;s really got me thinking. I need to be more considerate of the medium students prefer when connecting, reflecting, etc. I have (more recently) gone back to reading blogs more than listening to audio &#8230; and I need to be cognizant of these preferences of my students. Thanks for commenting!</p>
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